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either spread from animals to humans in the wild or it leaked from a lab in wuhan. what type of evidence would prove it one way or the other? >> will you know, i should point out that the labs that we are talking about here, alison, they have studied coronaviruses for a long time. that that is not new information. reporters have been covering this know that, and one of the lead researchers in the lab there in wuhan is she zhengli, known as the bat lady. she is known is that because she has been studying bats really since the days of sars, for some 20 years. so that is not new information. i think we need to know is where the coronavirus is being studied in the lab similar, identical, or related to the virus that caused covid. you want to look at the actual viruses and do genetic sequencing of those viruses. another thing that you could do, alison, there were blood samples that were taken from
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workers in the lab at that time. if you are able to go back and look at those blood samples and say, did they show antibodies to the covid virus, then that would be another pretty definitive piece of data. and then you would obviously want to have a complete forensics investigation of the lab. but it is these things, these types of things that we do not have still. that has been the lack of transparency that so many people have been talking about. i think the answer to the question that everybody is answering ins noble, but we don't know it because we don't have all the data. >> sanjay it's interesting because you even spoke to some of the scientists who worked in wuhan. what did they say about how hard it is to get information in china? >> they say it is really hard. it's interesting because there is this world health investigation i talked to peter dasha who also runs ecohealth alliance, the organization that was doing research in wuhan. so he had sort of two halves that he was wearing, but he is part of that investigative team from the w.h.o. and i specifically asked about the
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database, right. there is a database of all the viruses that are being studied. if that data bases there and we went back and look to see how closely the virus a approximate the covid virus, that we really good information. i asked them specifically about that, and this is it. >> have you've been able now as a member of the w. h. o team in any capacity to look at that data? >> no. >> that sounds concerning, peter, if it is as serious and we're trying to be as thorough as possible. maybe it amounts to nothing, but i think the fact that you still have not seen that database, it is just going to raise a lot of eyebrows as we move forward. >> broadly so. china should be more open about the things that they have not released. >> so one of the most basic things that he would look for as part of an investigation, in the database. what was being studied in those labs. that was not available to the world health organization team,
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alison and they were not able to go back in after that first investigation. so, we still do not know. >> and then sanjay you've spoken to several u.s. health officials who support the lab leak theory and they cast skepticism on the outbreak timelines, what have they told you? >> well, this is very interesting and we're talking about robert redfield here who is the cdc director, alison. that's important because he probably had access to information that maybe the general public did not have at the time that he was the cdc director. i talked to him right after he left office and he was pretty forthcoming about his thoughts on this, still speculative about an interesting reasoning. take a listen. >> i do not believe that this somehow came from a bat to human. normally when a pathogen goes from a -- to human it takes a while for it to figure out how to become more and more efficient in human transmission. i just do not think that this
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makes biological sense. >> so, he is saying he does not think it makes biological sense. but, again alison, he did have access to information that most people did not have access to so it is more informed opinion. it was really interesting, when the virus starts to spread in humans it usually is not very contagious, it becomes country seeing lee contagious as it spreads more more. this virus, according to doctor redfield, really started spreading like wildfire right away, suggesting to him at least that it had been studied in a lab and slowly becoming increasingly contagious in a lab before it accidentally leaked. speculative, but interesting. >> he makes a very compelling case. , i he always has been, he was out front with this theory before other people were. sanjay, thank you for explaining all of that it is really helpful. thank you. >> the white house is also weighing in on the energy departments -- that covid-19 most likely came from a lab leak in china.
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here is national security council coordinator john kirby on cnn earlier tonight. >> what i can tell you is that there is no consensus among the intelligence community or elsewhere in the government on exactly how covid originated. but we want to know. the president wants to know, because you want to be able to put us in a position where we can better prevent another pandemic. >> okay, joining me now to discuss all of this with the latest we have los angeles times op-ed columnist -- cnn chief law enforcement intelligence analyst john miller, special correspondent for vanity fair molly, and derrick jones and, scott jennings. so, tell us john, why is the intel community divided and how does it work when they're divided? are they looking at different evidence? >> they're looking at the same evidence and the national intelligence council, which is like the gray beards of the intelligence community, the experts of the experts, pull
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all of this together. they said what john kirby said, which is that the intelligence community can agree with this, so i looked at this in 2021 and i think it was for intelligence agencies, including the national intelligence council believed it came from an animal, probably -- one intelligence agency, now to stay with, me decided with moderate confidence, the fbi, that probably came from a lab based on the power and speed with which it spread. and now the department of energy has come over to say with low confidence, that they agree. now, you are likely to win the powerball jackpot next week, iss, with low confidence. that is how i view that. so you can have out of 16 intelligence agencies, some of them did not look at, this the coast guard, people like that do not weigh in because it's not their field. but out of the core group that weight and you can have people looking at the same intelligence who disagree on
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the finding that they would make from it and the level of confidence they would put behind it. >> so in other words the department of energy, with our new assessment at least, this has not seen something new, or how they? >> they updated their assessment based on some new intelligence, but -- >> we don't know what that is. >> we don't know that is, but it i would not make that big a deal of it because it did not cause all of these other agencies to sway over. so, it is something that to the department of energy's scientists, was the nuance that move them from assessing one thing into maybe another, but with low confidence, which is different without a distinction. >> scott, i want to bring you in because i don't have to tell you how many people pooh-poohed the lab leak theory, it turns out prematurely. >> yeah, completely. you had a lot of conservatives at the time that this was all breaking, like tom cotton, senator from arkansas was wanted. but many others and they were
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made fun, of they were mocked as conspiracy theorists, but we saw this on a number of fronts. masks, lockdowns, natural immunity. now this lab leak theory, you had a number of people who are simply saying, i am skeptical or i have questions about this and there were, everybody in the media the democratic party, the left came down on people like a ton of bricks for even raising questions. so today you have a lot of conservatives saying oh, how the turntables. and saying it was right of us to ask questions. i think what everybody wants to know is, why were there so many people so invested in shutting down anyone who simply raised a question about this or the other things that i mentioned at the time. that is what conservatives want to, know and i think it is really reduced public confidence, frankly, in what you are hearing about some of these public health issues given how much is different today than what we were told two years ago. >> the jury is still out, i mean the jury is still out. but i grant you that the
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department of energy saying this lens a lot more credence than certainly headlines suggested, when they were mocking people. but the jury is still out. we actually do not know what the origin is, still. >> my point is that one people were simply raising questions about, it they were called kooks, they were called quark's, they were called conspiracy theorists for raising the possibility that this might have come out of a lab and now you have intelligence agencies saying yeah, it might have. by the, way we are never going to know the answer to those because the chinese government will never allow anyone to have access or transparency here to the facts that would leave outs to know. we'll never know the, answer but it is a distinct possibility as acknowledged now two years after the fact when certain people were raising it and being shouted down the public square. >> i think this is really unfair, scott, to put together masking and vaccines with the lab leak. i mean, we do not know what happened, whether or not it was a lab leak, but we certainly know that masking helps prevent
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people from getting sick, we know that -- does not work on covid. so there are certainly a lot of covid misinformation, and the number one spreader of covid misinformation you will remember in 2021, or even before that was donald trump. so i do not, i don't think that these two things, i think that you are confabulation a lot of things. >> let me get mondaire. >> i would be angry to find out that, with the rest of the public, that this was because of a lab leak. i do feel like we have been disabused of this theory, by agencies who had downplayed. >> by who? the w.h.o., for instance? i remember, first of all, it was joe biden who is said please continue this investigation, to the department of energy. and it was doctor redfield as we just heard, former cdc director who said that he believed it was a lab leak. so who is doing the
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disabuse-ing? >> i think there was a downplaying of, it i mean i had heard a number of reports from different agencies saying that it is unlikely to have been a lab leak. having said that, i have a distinct different recollection from scott when it comes to the claims that were being made by people like tom cotton out of arizona, and others in the republican party. it is not simply asking questions, it was stating with confidence. people were really speaking with their chest that this had to have been a chinese conspiracy to in fact the american people and the world, in fact, through biological warfare. that was uncomfortable for me because nobody had a basis to believe that without more evidence. >> before i let you say, this i'm going to just remind people that in july of 2020, one you know i'll decide speak for itself. here's john stewart on stephen colbert. >> science has in many ways helped ease the suffering of
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this pandemic. which requires more than likely caused by science. there is a novel respiratory coronavirus overtaking wuhan china, what do we do? you know we can ask? the wuhan respiratory coronavirus lab. the disease is the same name as the lab. let me see your business card, show me your business card. oh, i work at the coronavirus lab in wuhan. because there is a coronavirus loose in go louann, how did that happen? maybe a bat flew into the turkey and then it sneezed into my chili and now we all have coronavirus. >> wait a second. [applause]
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>> oh my god, there has been an outbreak of chocolatey goodness near her, pennsylvania. what do you think happened? oh i don't know a steam shovel made it with a cocoa bean. or it is the [bleep] chocolate factory. >> there you go, see. >> i love john stewart. >> i think he assessed that with high confidence. >> there was high confidence there. >> i do not think that my obsession or concern when it comes to covid is really where it began but as much as our response was to it. because, yes, we can certainly talk about the very beginnings of this virus. but the reason why the messaging got conflated and confused and very difficult for people to disseminate was that people were purposely trying to downplay the impact of the virus. that is early in 2020 and scott knows it. this is a fluke, it will be, gone it'll be done by the
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summer,. >> i think everybody was always interested in the origins. people were fighting about it. >> they were, but when you start talking about the response to it, and you start talking about where came from, that all gets conflated together. that's where the racism came from, where the increase in asian american attacks came from because people start to conflate this words, front with who is giving the messaging, it's not that big of a deal, it is that big of a deal. people are saying while all people from this country are responsible for what is helping the planet. so i think that we need to displace apart the beginnings of covid with our response from covid. i think scott is talking a lot about the response is not enough about the beginnings of it. >> i think we are all trying to talk about the origins of, it's got makes a great point that people felt certain before we knew certainly, and we may never know certainly, but to your point, your final point because we have to go. in the intel community you need to have an open mind.
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that is remember one. >> that's true and we saw those with the anthrax case. we look at sudan hussein right after 9/11, we looked at al-qaeda, we looked at a couple of suspects that we really took them apart. i was in the fbi at the time. it turned out to be a u.s. government scientist and a u.s. government lab who wanted extra funding. >> okay, thank you all very much. meanwhile, is there a takeover in the works with one of america's blackest big cities? next the mayor of jackson mississippi is here to talk about the battle putting his city against the gop dominated state government. this is about voting rights, public safety, crime, race. we'll be right back. barcode beat conductor. ♪ go betty! ♪ let's be more than our allergies! zeize the day. with zyrtec. hi, i'm lauren, i lost 67 pounds in 12 months on golo. golo and the release has been phenomenal in my life. it's all natural.
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black. one of america's blackest big cities. a state senate committee passed a different version of this bill. that takes out some of those controversial elements. but the provisions could be added back in during negotiations. supporters of the bill say that it is about addressing the growing crime in the city. but the mayor of jackson calls this both, call them lyndon station and apartheid. mayor joins me now. mayor, thank you so much for being here. can you explain what this is. what would happen if this bill passes? >> first of, i appreciate the time and appreciate the issue. i think we have a number of dynamics at play. this bill is a thinly veiled attempt to create a circumstance of continued police abuse. in the last six months, 2022. there were at least seven media reported incidents of capitol police involved incidents. shootings with the officers.
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it is a voting rights abuse. where judges will be appointed, not elected by the residents. where prosecutors will be appointed and not hired by the district attorney. >> equivalent to jim crow two point oh. it is a state sponsored system. of stripping people of both political power and voting rights ability. >> as you know, the people who sponsor say that this is necessary because crime has gotten so bad. so they need to set up these legal guardrails. >> yeah, well you know there has been a deliberate and willful neglect of the things that the city of jackson has asked for. in order to continue with the issues of public safety. >> things like additional support in terms of ballistics technology for police department. in terms of support of our
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realtime crime center. which is a 21st century mechanism to support our police officers. in terms to support public safety. such as our violence interruption and credible messenger programs. we have gone through extreme measures, engaging people like wells fargo and the national league of cities. that has given us seed money for recovery. all the while, the state of mississippi has avoided that. instead has proposed this takeover which allows judges to have jurisdiction over civil matters. that has nothing to do with the issue of crime and public safety. while initially drafting a jurisdiction or a district which largely covers the most densely possible -- the areas that have the lowest rate of crime. so it is a trojan horse. that comes in the name of public safety. but is actually an attack on black leadership. >> here is what one of the
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sponsors has to say about it. this is state rep trey lamar a republican. she says that it is only designed to assist the court systems by helping a portion of jackson, the improvement district carved out back in 2017 and had full support of democrats back then. what is your response? >> i don't know what he would say in terms of the full support of democrats. in 2017, i was a part of a group called the coalition for economic justice where we solved this as a trojan horse at this time. want to be clear that the democrats who did support in that moment in time were supporting something that was aimed in the vein or at least cloaked in the vein of the infrastructure bill to support infrastructure projects around capital institutions or facilities. and not a measure that created its own court system, not a measure that created a police department with a lack of accountability to the residents.
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and allow these levels of abuse to take place. and so, there was a difference of opinion amongst democratic leadership at this time. but what is clear, is that no one sponsored or supported what we are now seeing. >> so mayor, what are you and fellow democrats going to do about this? >> well, we are going to continue to not only attempt to kill it before it becomes law. but we have a few tools left in the shed. i will not fully lay out all of the efforts that we will undertake in order to defeat this measure. but we will not rest, until we see this come to its conclusion. >> mayor, thank you very much for your time tonight, we're going to continue to discuss this, we really appreciate you being here, my panel is back with me now. elie, i don't even our stan, let me just pull up again with the house bill said. we would expand the capitol complex district to cover a third of jackson's populations and would create new judicial district. the state government appointed
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judges. judges would be appointed by the states supreme court chief justice and prosecute would be at point about the states attorney general. this is a parallel justice system? >> there is a big difference between the bill that the house mississippi state house but you just outlined and the bill the state senate passed. the key question is going to be how did they reconcile that. but if this one, when you laid out, the house version becomes law. one of the tools talked about i guarantee was a lawsuit. and will make an equal protection challenge. thank you are depriving the people of this city of their votes. you are installing a parallel justice system by people who do not live in this jurisdiction. so it will be really important to see which version of this becomes law. >> but is there a precedent for a parallel justice system? >> it's pretty fragrant. pretty flagrant to say that the state is going to impose the justice system.
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justices in prosecutors only this one time. everybody else in the state gets to vote on their own representatives, i can't think of one. i'll tell you that much. >> the former leader of the naacp legal defense fund made a very important point on twitter if you days ago. and that is, i have the conservative super majority on the supreme court of the united states not gutted the heart of the voting rights act, this would not be possible. because mississippi would have to submit any changes to its voting laws to either the department of justice or a three judge panel for approval. are precisely the reason the mayor has now alleged. because this is a history, a state of the history of racial discrimination. an example of something that would probably not super are five scrutiny. when you have to go through the voting rights act process. >> about the crime in jackson, is that predicate for doing something this rash there? >> we can't lose sight of the
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problem. jackson is a city in a series of crises, the water crisis, the zoo crisis, the crime crisis. but if you look at that, i think the murder rate for the united states is five per 100,000. in jackson it is 88. so it is per capita probably the murder capital of the united states. with 153,000 people murders. that's a real problem. so if you take the states claim. that we are trying to fix this. with the state saying is the cities out of control we will take the capital police, so you are authority, increase their numbers and set up a prosecutors and judges that will put people in jail. and we will get a hold of this crime thing starting from the center of the capital. the problem with it, elie and mondaire have said, it lacks due process.
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voters do not to say, people aren't elected, it is unilateral on the part of the state, a little unprecedented. a state takeover with the not even going through any mechanics. >> it's not that unprecedented when you think about what happened in other cities states during the early days of the great recession. you had white gop leaders of states in governors say that this city here can't manage its education. so we will take the education over. or the city over here, i distinctly remember this happened. i'm from detroit, and on the state try to take over our education system because detroiter's could not lead and they needed help. the reality is that 50s, 60s, 70s, and not only took away the diversity but also tax dollars. to actually take care of the cities. when those went out to the suburbs, you had the city maintain the same size but with your tax dollars to operate in. what's the number one precursor
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to crime? it is poverty. what is the industry in mississippi, does anybody know? exactly. so you have a very poor state, you have a white leadership in the state level. we have black leaders in the city level. and you do not have any industry in which you can actually begin to think about getting people out of poverty. so of course there is going to be crime that. these are the things we've seen in the recession, this is what we've seen coming out of the great white flight, i don't know if it's jim crow two point, three point oh. i just know that we have seen this pattern over and over again. >> scott, your thoughts? >> i think jackson mississippi is one of, if not the worst run city in america. you can't drink the water, it's not probably, it is the highest per capita murder rate in the united states. i think that this is a failed state. it's completely and totally dysfunctional. we look leadership has failed, the mayor has failed, the city council has failed and i think what the state leaders and mississippi are trying to do, it's get control of an unlivable situation. they want the city of jackson
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to be habitable by human beings. >> scott, this is garbage. this is garbage and you know. the people in jackson mississippi have been asking the state officials to help them with the water problem for years. i personally have covered two times now with the jackson mississippi couldn't even drink the water. and i are telling me the emergency they need is dealing with crime. what about the emergency with water? i wasn't that put up as a number one emergency? i think you are repeating some garbage. i don't think you are repeating actual facts. >> well, who is in charge of the water utility in any city or municipality in america? it's the, merits the city council, the local leadership. they have totally failed. because of, that the state legislature and the governor had to intervene. now you have this highest per capita murder rate in the country. i mean, this city is completely and totally dysfunctional. what is the city, what is the state leadership supposed to do. just let the city continue to
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spiral out of control? i don't want the final bill will look like and there might be changes, but it would be a response of a state legislature and the governor to just let this go on and on and on. in perpetuity. >> let me just say something. i think you are talking about different things. you are talking about the origins of this, how we got here. he is talking about what are we going to do from here, the solution. because that is the routine. you forget about the, origins you talk about the problem, then you blame the minority. we don't talk about how you got there. >> the mayor has talked about wanting resources to help address the issue of crime as it exists now, in addition to those of violence that he referenced. and other investments in reducing poverty and other things that we know tend to increase the risk of criminality in any given community. that is a broader problem in this country. we talk often about how to stop crime as it currently exists and not enough about the
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precursors to crime. solving for that on the front and. so that we actually don't spend as much. >> how do you stop this crime? >> this is the fundamental question here. i have a realtime crime center that needs additional support, i want a crime intelligence center to run these ballistic spent shell casings, i need more cops. the last time i looked, they were down 100. and that is the kind of aid he is saying the state and the democratic process should go to a city. with the state is saying is, we are just going to do this. which is kind of a broken approach to it. >> to that point, i don't think that this solution, the house version, the more drastic version addresses the problem. they're just and we are going to choose your leaders for you. what is that going to fix? so i think that whatever the intention is, just from a law enforcement perspective, won't do anything but. >> gentlemen, thank you all very much, obviously we will continue to follow this story. meanwhile, more and more people
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>> washington post reports that some instagram users are getting horrifyingly violent content that they never wanted to see. this is extremely disturbing stuff. videos of torture, shootings, violent accidents. they are reaching thousands and thousands of people. here is just one example.
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the post shared by an account with more than 560,000 followers captioned, hashtag watch. 16-year-old girl beaten and burned to death by vigilante mob. joining me now with more of her reporting is washington post taylor lands. thank you for being here. this is horrifying. i was so stunned by your.
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>> you are trying to check some fun video and certainly you see something horrible. i will read a portion of your article. one day last week, for large mean pages, two with more than 1 million followers posted a video of a young child being shot in the head. the video amassed over 83,000 views in under three hours. why does that even live on instagram? how have they not just taken that video down and made it inaccessible. >> it's wild, i actually conducted an experiment myself in the course of reporting this story where i took one of these videos and tried to upload it to tiktok. tiktok has notoriously strong content moderation. some people say too strong in certain areas. but it wouldn't even allow me to upload the video. it flagged it immediately before it was served to one user. so i think it is disturbing
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that users are in countering this content. especially when they follow a meme page thinking that they are going to get funny content, lighthearted jokes. and suddenly, because of the incentives that instagram creates, these pages are posting gore and really disturbing videos. >> do you know who is behind these videos? i'm sure it's not one person, but is there some group that could be shut down that is posting violence like this? >> unfortunately, it's not one group, it is many, many, many instagram pages. i mean there are thousands of peoples in these group chats coordinating this type of stuff. they trade this violent imagery with each other and then they negotiate sponsored content deals. the reason these instagram pages are posting this violent content is because it boosts their engagement right. and they can then monetize their pages at a higher rate. so i think that instagram needs to look at the way that it handles sponsored content. look at the incentive structures. of course but more importantly, they need to root out these
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specific accounts. and determine if they actually violated terms. and if they have, take action. >> i mean how could they not, if you are showing a child being shot in the head. how could they not violate terms. here is what meta, the statement they released to you. the content is not eligible to be recommended and we have removed content that breaks our rules. this is an adversarial space. so we are always proactively monitoring and improving how we prevent bad actors from using new tactics to avoid detection. and of eight hours enforcement. is that accurate? >> i mean what they are trying to say there is that this content they say it is an eligible for a recommendation in the real carousel and in the instagram explore page and things like that. but with this, how i interpret that statement well, these people followed main pages so what do they expect apparently. that is the takeaway i got from that.
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i think that that they are looking into these accounts. instagram, he would think does not want this content either because it is alienating users. users do not want to see. it so i do believe that they are going to take action. but, i think that they need to look at the whole way that they police this type of content. because instagram does have pretty strict guidelines in other areas. as we know. you can't for instance show a woman's nipple's. that will get you taken down right away. >> i mean obviously they need to look at this because it is so vile. and again so traumatizing for people who are surprised by it. taylor runs, thank you very much for your time. we really appreciate bringing the story tension. >> thanks. >> now to this. ever reach for is euro calorie sweetener? a new study finds that some of those sweetness could be linked to heart attacks and strokes. we have all of the details you need to hear. next qualify for a payroll tax refund of up to $26,000 per employee, even if it r received ppp, and alall it takes is eight minutes to get started.
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>> if you've got a sweet tooth, you might want to check the ingredients list before your next treat. a recent study found that a sugar replacement called -- is linked to increased risk of blood clots, stroke, heart attack, even death. the study found that this sweetener is on par with the strongest cardiac risk factors like diabetes. okay guys. aretha -- >> you are going to say aretha franklin? >> she has nothing to do with this. >> it's in a lot of stuff, it's in all of the keto reduced sugar products, like if you are on a keto diet. and it is in a sugar
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replacement. used apparently to bulk up. haven't we learned the lesson not to mess with mother nature? when it comes to food? shouldn't we not mess with mother nature about it. should we just eat natural foods? >> clearly not. you know, i will say this about the artificial sweeteners. they've got a of a brand representative. because they have convinced us that we are better than sugar. no matter what science says, we are better than sugar. >> to use artificial sweeteners? >> i definitely do some stuff. >> whatever is in the die. >> can i cite a president here. >> i'm talking about cocktails people. >> elie was the worst. >> i'm glad even joy that.
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>> there is legal precedent on this. do you all remember snack wells? snack wells, you are too young, but we all remember. this was marketed as the miracle desert. there were cookies, but there was no sugar, no fat or something. first of all they were horrible, right? >> they were okay. >> no. what was the best one. >> chalky. >> they were horrible. you had to eat 14 of them to even feel full. and now we learned that they were doing all of this other stuff too. so we have known this for a long time. >> yes. if you are craving sugar or fat, just eat sugar and fat. not all the time on this delay in moderation but you can eat a mediterranean diet. >> pasta all the time. >> i know, pasta is fine. >> okay. >> do you do artificial sweeteners? >> now. because i am telling you. this whole advertised as being
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very healthy, even those never natural. i always thought, there's no free rides. >> what do you mixed with your jack daniel's? >> lately i've been doing vodka. oh gosh. seriously, i don't use the sweeteners. and i try to drink black coffee now. i'm trying to cut down on sugar intake generally. but, i'm not going to stop. if you know, if somebody gives me stevia. >> really? >> no, it's inconclusive. we don't have definitive evidence. >> i wouldn't risk it. i wouldn't risk it. >> a little evidence is enough. >> just go back to regular sugar. >> glad we have resolve all of that. all right everybody, we'll be right back.
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